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Re: Improvements to fork handling (2/5)


On 23/05/2011 3:31 AM, Corinna Vinschen wrote:
On May 22 14:42, Ryan Johnson wrote:
On 21/05/2011 9:44 PM, Christopher Faylor wrote:
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 02:31:37PM -0400, Ryan Johnson wrote:
Hi all,

This patch has the parent sort its dll list topologically by
dependencies. Previously, attempts to load a DLL_LOAD dll risked pulling
in dependencies automatically, and the latter would then not benefit
>from the code which "encourages" them to land in the right places. The
dependency tracking is achieved using a simple class which allows to
introspect a mapped dll image and pull out the dependencies it lists.
The code currently rebuilds the dependency list at every fork rather
than attempt to update it properly as modules are loaded and unloaded.
Note that the topsort optimization affects only cygwin dlls, so any
windows dlls which are pulled in dynamically (directly or indirectly)
will still impose the usual risk of address space clobbers.
This seems CPU and memory intensive during a time for which we already
know is very slow.  Is the benefit really worth it?  How much more robust
does it make forking?
Topological sorting is O(n), so there's no asymptotic change in
performance. Looking up dependencies inside a dll is *very* cheap
(2-3 pointer dereferences per dep), and all of this only happens for
dynamically-loaded dlls. Given the number of calls to
Virtual{Alloc,Query,Free} and LoadDynamicLibraryEx which we make, I
would be surprised if the topsort even registered.  That said, it is
extra work and will slow down fork.

I have not been able to test how much it helps, but it should help
with the test case Jon Turney reported with python a while back [1].
In fact, it was that example which made me aware of the potential
need for a topsort in the first place.

In theory, this should completely eliminate the case where us
loading one DLL pulls in dependencies automatically (= uncontrolled
and at Windows' whim). The problem would manifest as a DLL which
"loads" in the same wrong place repeatedly when given the choice,
and for which we would be unable to VirtualAlloc the offending spot
(because the dll in question has non-zero refcount even after we
unload it, due to the dll(s) that depend on it.
There might be a way around this.  It seems to be possible to tweak
the module list the PEB points to so that you can unload a library
even though it has dependencies.  Then you can block the unwanted
space and call LoadLibrary again.  See (*) for a discussion how
you can unload the exe itself to reload another one.  Maybe that's
something we can look into as well.  ObNote:  Of course, if we
could influnce the address at which a DLL gets loaded right from the
start, it would be the preferrable solution.


Corinna


(*) http://www.blizzhackers.cc/viewtopic.php?p=4332690
After poking around at (*) a bit, it looks like NtMapViewOfSection does more than I would have expected wrt dll loading. However, when I tried to fire up a toy program to test it, NtOpenSection always returns C0000024, regardless of whether I pass OBJ_KERNEL_HANDLE to it.

Does anybody have experience with those two functions?

Ryan



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