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Re: Netsky worm


See below for my replies to certain comments

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 15:38:20 -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote:
>
> Robert McNulty Junior wrote:
>
> > It's not Ourlook or Ourlook Express. I use outlook xp with a firewall
> > and an antivirus.
>
> Ah duh! That's still Outlook!
>
> > Its coming from someone on cygwin-xfree@cygwin.com And cygwin@cygwin.com.
>
> So what?!? You do realize that email addresses can easily be forged
> don't you?
>
> > I'm not affected by this virus. I just scanned my computer, and netsky
> > worm is not there, nor is any other virus.
>
> Then you are lucky. If I say Outlook and Outlook Express are known to
> help proliferate virii and worms that does not necessarily translate to
> "anybody who uses them is therefore infected"? No.
>
> > Linux is being hit hard with virii, Trojans, and worms too,
>
> Not really. If you think so then show some data.
>
> > so don't blame Microsoft for some "hacker's" attempt at getting rid of
> > the best companies Software has ever had.
>
> It has been shown time and time again that Microsoft's software is lax
> when it comes to security and often the defaults chosen are the most
> insecure. For example, the Firewall in XP is, by default, off.

Yes.  That is true.  Microsoft is showing some changes though for the
future.  For example.  Even in Windows XP, LAN connections are
firewalled by default.  SP2 will enable the firewall by default and
include a security center.  The firewall is more robust giving the
user a bit more control but still lacks outgoing data protection like
commercial firewalls have.

>
> > If you really know the truth about Microsoft, Linux, and Unix, you
> > wound not be making these ill-concieved notions that Microsoft is bad.
>
> I do know the truth - trust me - Microsoft's security record (or lack
> thereof) speaks for itself.
>
> > Cygwin will work under Windows.
>
> Yeah, and? You're point?
>
> > SFU for windows is UNIX.
>
> Hardly.

Right.  Windows actually stole certain things from UNIX.  Example: The
system32\drivers\etc folder is taken directly from UNIX.  There are
certain others stolen from UNIX too but I can't remember what.

>
> > Microsoft, when MS-DOS came, also created a company to work on Xenix.
> > That company is called SCO and is still part of Microsoft.
>
> Really? I didn't know that SCO is still part of Microsoft. That would
> explain the SCO/Linux legal battle though.
>
> > Unix was created by Bell Labs back in the sixties/seventies
>
> Ah duh, I know that.
>
> > Linux was created by Linus Torvalds around 1991, based on code he had
> > written on his Vic-20.
>
> Ah yeah, and?
>
> > When he bought is first PC, he started work on transferring the kernel
> > he made on the VIC, to his PC. Ever since 1991, he made the souce code
> > available to the public. From then, programmers all over the world started
> > work on improving it. Linus was inspired by Bill Gates.
>
> Oh this is rich. I'm being entertained. Go on...
>
> > I ask you, if Linux is free, how come I have to pay $40 to $150 for it?
>
> I don't know. Maybe because you're a sucker. Are you denying that you
> could have downloaded Linux for free? Or are you just saying you paid
> for the packaging and support of a particular Linux distro?

The money they charge is usually for support costs, media costs, and
time spent actually making the media.  However it is far cheaper to go
on ebay and buy the same product that some burned using downloaded
iso's.  Some people still connect on modems and therefore cannot
download the free iso images.  I am one of those people and know that
I cannot leave my system on downloading for extended periods of time.

>
> > Free as in beer does not make sense/
>
> Methinks perhaps you had too many beers.
>
> > When I was working at a local bar, beer and other alcoholic beverages
> > were sold, not given away.
>
> Yeah we all know that. What's your point? (BTW: Last time I went to a
> party the beer was free. Gee how did that happen? And more importantly
> how is this germane to the topic at hand?)
>
> > Everything you see in stores are being sold. They are not being given
> > away. Free speech has a price, and already, every soldier who has gone
> > to war to protect the rights have paid the ultimate price. In case you
> > are interested, the terrorists were using the Cygwin mailist to spread
> > their ill begotton notions about the US.
>
> How did I just know that this relatively inoccuious topic would
> eventually be linked to something to do with the terrorists and the US...
>
> > The United Starts, North, South, and Central America stand for Peace
> > and Harmonony. There have been skirmishes over seas that Amerca was
> > called upon to finish. Microsoft helped the US government and other
> > other organization simplify the oprating system. MS-DOS and Windows
> > were that result.
>
> Oh so then DOS and Windows are a result of terrorists, free trade,
> capitalism and the US government. I see..
>
> > Until Longhorn comes out, XP is the best operating system out there.
>
> That is except for all the other OSes out there...

Yea.  If I could, I would install NetBSD in a heartbeat.  I use it on
a remote system quite often but am reliant on Windows based
applications so cygwin will be the closest I get.  Plus the lack of
support for my hardware (last time I tried there was bad sound support
and modem support was flaky)

>
> > And before you call me a BS artist,
>
> I won't do that - you're doing a fine job all by yourself!
>
> > I've tried Linux on my computer. I have a DVD RW and a pvr, both which
> > will only work with Windows, not
> > Linux.
>
> Sorry you're experiencing difficultys. Maybe that's because you don't
> know what you are doing. My Linux works just fine thank you very much.
>
> > Linux and cygwin both have a long way to go before they will ever
> > really compete against Windows.
>
> They already are (though Cygwin without Windows doesn't really exist by
> definition).
>
> > Notice I'm not saying Red hat or Mandrake?
>
> I'm surprised you managed to spell them actually.
>
> > I don't care about linux because it is still premature.
>
> You're calling a over 30 year old OS (considering that Linux owes a lot
> to Unix) is premature?!?
>
> > Windows is safer.
>
> Ha, ha, ha. 'Cuse me I just lost my lunch on that one!

LOL.  That is a joke.  Windows is safer once you do about a gazillion
different system level tweak and you have to know what you are doing.
Even then it has been know to crash unexpectedly and without cause.
- Show quoted text -

>
> > All those virii, worms, and Trojans are planted through Hotmail. The
> > "crackers", (people who steal passwords from real users or the Net)
> > are sending these virii out. Trace those message back, and you will
> > see, it is work by terrerists over seas.
>
> I see. So do you practice at being disolutioned or does it just come
> naturally to you?
>
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